SB 10.2.36

SB 10.2.36

Devanagari

न नामरूपे गुणजन्मकर्मभि- र्निरूपितव्ये तव तस्य साक्षिण: । मनोवचोभ्यामनुमेयवर्त्मनो देव क्रियायां प्रतियन्त्यथापि हि ॥ ३६ ॥

Verse text

na nāma-rūpe guṇa-janma-karmabhir nirūpitavye tava tasya sākṣiṇaḥ mano-vacobhyām anumeya-vartmano deva kriyāyāṁ pratiyanty athāpi hi

Synonyms

na not ; nāma rūpe — the name and form ; guṇa with attributes ; janma appearance ; karmabhiḥ activities or pastimes ; nirūpitavye are not able to be ascertained ; tava Your ; tasya of Him ; sākṣiṇaḥ who is the direct observer ; manaḥ of the mind ; vacobhyām words ; anumeya hypothesis ; vartmanaḥ the path ; deva O Lord ; kriyāyām in devotional activities ; pratiyanti they realize ; atha api still ; hi indeed (You can be realized by the devotees) .

Translation

O Lord, Your transcendental name and form are not ascertained by those who merely speculate on the path of imagination. Your name, form and attributes can be ascertained only through devotional service.

Translation (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

O Lord, Your transcendental name and form are not ascertained by those who merely speculate on the path of imagination. Your name, form and attributes can be ascertained only through devotional service. KB 10.2.36 “Our dear Lord, the way of understanding is not to study Your absolute nature, form and activities by mental speculation. One must engage himself in devotional service; then one can understand Your absolute nature and Your transcendental form, name and qualities. Actually, only a person who has a little taste for the service of Your lotus feet can understand Your transcendental nature or form and qualities. Others may go on speculating for millions of years, but it is not possible for them to understand even a single part of Your actual position.” In other words, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, cannot be understood by the nondevotees because there is a curtain of Yogamāyā which covers Kṛṣṇa’s actual features. As confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, nāhaṁ prakāśaḥ sarvasya [Bg. 7.25]. The Lord says, “I am not exposed to anyone and everyone.” When Kṛṣṇa came, He was actually present on the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra, and everyone saw Him. But not everyone could understand that He was the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Still, everyone who died in His presence attained complete liberation from material bondage and was transferred to the spiritual world. “O Lord, the impersonalists or nondevotees cannot understand that Your name is identical with Your form.” Since the Lord is absolute, there is no difference between His name and His actual form. In the material world there is a difference between form and name. The mango fruit is different from the name of the mango. One cannot taste the mango fruit simply by chanting “mango, mango, mango.” But the devotee who knows that there is no difference between the name and the form of the Lord chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare and realizes that he is always in Kṛṣṇa’s company. For persons who are not very advanced in absolute knowledge of the Supreme, Lord Kṛṣṇa exhibits His transcendental pastimes. Such persons can simply think of the pastimes of the Lord and get full benefit. Since there is no difference between the transcendental name and form of the Lord, there is no difference between the transcendental pastimes and the form of the Lord. For those who are less intelligent (like women, laborers or the mercantile class), the great sage Vyāsadeva wrote the Mahābhārata. In the Mahābhārata Kṛṣṇa is present in His different activities. The Mahābhārata is history, and simply by studying, hearing and memorizing the transcendental activities of Kṛṣṇa recounted therein, the less intelligent can also gradually rise to the standard of pure devotees.

Purport

As stated in the Padma Purāṇa: ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ “One cannot understand the transcendental nature of the name, form, quality and pastimes of Śrī Kṛṣṇa through one’s materially contaminated senses. Only when one becomes spiritually saturated by transcendental service to the Lord are the transcendental name, form, quality and pastimes of the Lord revealed to him.” Since Kṛṣṇa and His transcendental name, form and activities are all of a transcendental nature, ordinary persons or those who are only slightly advanced cannot understand them. Even big scholars who are nondevotees think that Kṛṣṇa is fictitious. Yet although so-called scholars and commentators do not believe that Kṛṣṇa was factually a historical person whose presence on the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra is recorded in the history of Mahābhārata, they feel compelled to write commentaries on Bhagavad-gītā and other historical records. Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ: Kṛṣṇa’s transcendental name, form, attributes and activities can be revealed only when one engages in His service in full consciousness. This confirms Kṛṣṇa’s own words in Bhagavad-gītā (18.55) : bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ tato māṁ tattvato jṣātvā viśate tad-anantaram “One can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.” Only by sevonmukha, by engaging oneself in the Lord’s service, can one realize the name, form and qualities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. “O Lord,” the demigods say, “the impersonalists, who are nondevotees, cannot understand that Your name is identical with Your form.” Since the Lord is absolute, there is no difference between His name and His actual form. In the material world there is a difference between form and name. The mango fruit is different from the name of the mango. One cannot taste the mango fruit simply by chanting, “Mango, mango, mango.” But the devotee who knows that there is no difference between the name and the form of the Lord chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, and realizes that he is always in Kṛṣṇa’s company. For persons who are not very advanced in absolute knowledge of the Supreme, Lord Kṛṣṇa exhibits His transcendental pastimes. They can simply think of the pastimes of the Lord and get the full benefit. Since there is no difference between the transcendental name and form of the Lord, there is no difference between the transcendental pastimes and the form of the Lord. For those who are less intelligent (like women, laborers or the mercantile class), the great sage Vyāsadeva wrote Mahābhārata. In the Mahābhārata, Kṛṣṇa is present in His different activities. Mahābhārata is history, and simply by studying, hearing, and memorizing the transcendental activities of Kṛṣṇa, the less intelligent can also gradually rise to the standard of pure devotees. The pure devotees, who are always absorbed in the thought of the transcendental lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa and who are always engaged in devotional service in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness, are never to be considered to be in the material world. Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has explained that those who are always engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness by body, mind and activities are to be considered liberated even within this body. This is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā: those who are engaged in the devotional service of the Lord have already transcended the material position. Kṛṣṇa appears in order to give a chance to both the devotees and the nondevotees for realization of the ultimate goal of life. The devotees get the direct chance to see Him and worship Him. Those who are not on that platform get the chance to become acquainted with His activities and thus become elevated to the same position. The Brahma-saṁhitā (5.38) says: premāṣjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi Although Kṛṣṇa’s transcendental form is presented as black, devotees who are in love with the Supreme Personality of Godhead appreciate the Lord as Śyāmasundara, having a very beautiful blackish form. The Lord’s form is so beautiful that the Brahma-saṁhitā (5.30) also states: veṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ barhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam kandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi “I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who plays on His transcendental flute. His eyes are like lotus flowers, He is decorated with peacock plumes, and His bodily color resembles the color of a fresh black cloud, although His bodily features are more beautiful than millions of Cupids.” This beauty of the Supreme Lord can be seen by devotees who are in love with Him, devotees whose eyes are anointed with love of Godhead ( premāṣjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena ). The Lord is also known as Giridhārī or Girivara-dhārī. Because Kṛṣṇa, for the sake of His devotees, lifted Govardhana Hill, the devotees appreciate the Lord’s inconceivable strength; but nondevotees, in spite of directly perceiving the Lord’s inconceivable strength and power, regard the Lord’s activities as fictitious. This is the difference between a devotee and a nondevotee. Nondevotees cannot give any nomenclature for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, yet the Lord is known as Śyāmasundara and Giridhārī. Similarly, the Lord is known as Devakī-nandana and Yaśodā-nandana because He accepted the role of son for mother Devakī and mother Yaśodā, and He is known as Gopāla because He enjoyed the sport of maintaining the cows and calves. Therefore, although He has no mundane name, He is addressed by devotees as Devakī-nandana, Yaśodā-nandana, Gopāla and Śyāmasundara. These are all transcendental names that only devotees can appreciate and nondevotees cannot. The history of Kṛṣṇa the person has been openly seen by everyone, yet only those who are in love with the Supreme Personality of Godhead can appreciate this history, whereas nondevotees, who have not developed their loving qualities, think that the activities, form and attributes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead are fictitious. Therefore this verse explains, na nāma-rūpe guṇa janma-karmabhir nirūpitavye tava tasya sākṣiṇaḥ. In this connection, Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura has given the example that persons suffering from jaundice cannot taste the sweetness of sugar candy, although everyone knows that sugar candy is sweet. Similarly, because of the material disease, nondevotees cannot understand the transcendental name, form, attributes and activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, although they actually see the Lord’s activities, either through authority or through history. The Purāṇas are old, authentic histories, but nondevotees cannot understand them, especially Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which is the essence of Vedic knowledge. Nondevotees cannot understand even the preliminary study of transcendental knowledge, Bhagavad-gītā. They simply speculate and present commentaries with absurd distortions. In conclusion, unless one elevates himself to the transcendental platform by practicing bhakti-yoga, one cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His name, form, attributes or activities. But if by chance, by the association of devotees, one can actually understand the Lord and His features, one immediately becomes a liberated person. As the Lord says in Bhagavad-gītā (4.9) : janma karma ca me divyam evaṁ yo vetti tattvataḥ tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti so ’rjuna “One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.” Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī has therefore said that by affection and love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, devotees can express their mind to Him with their words. Others, however, cannot do this, as confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā ( bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ ).

Purport (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

Not only your form is suddha sattva, but also your name. Both name and form can be realized only by devotion. There is no other way. Thus this verse is spoken. Guna here refers to His beautiful form and merciful glance. Karma refers to lifting Govardhana hill, skillfully posing with three bends etc. Janma refers to his role as son of Nanda and Vasudeva . The witnessing jiva cannot discern or realize your sweetness, with your qualities, activities and birth, through chanting your name or meditating on your form. Not realizing the sweetness of your name or form,is no realization at all. It is like those afflicted with jaundice: though they chew sugar candy, they cannot taste the sweetness. As those devoid of devotion cannot realize the sweetness of your name and form, your name and form must also be suddha sattva, purely spiritual. Saksinah can also refer to the supreme Lord, the Supreme witness. Because your name and form are part of your spiritual nature, those pursuing the path of speculation cannot know your true form. However, for the person who has attained prema bhakti (vartamah), engages in service such as hearing and chanting your names with devotion (kriyayam) the name and form of the Lord can be directly realized. This can be inferred through mind (mental attitudes such as tolerance, pridelessness) and words (steeped in devotion) of the devotee.

Purport (Jiva Goswami)

“Name and form are conceptions in the mind. Why do you describe my form in this way?” This verse answers. Your name and form along with your qualities, birth and activities, cannot be realized as they truly are. An example of a name expressing qualities is Bhakta-vatsala. A name expressing his form is Śyāmasundara. A name expressing his actions is Govardhanodharaṇa. A form expressing his actions is Venuvadana or Tribhaṅga-lalita. A name expressing his birth is Devakī-nandana and a form expressing his birth is Matsya. Or your name and form cannot be realized by studying of scriptures (guṇa), by following proper conduct or yamas and niyamas (karma), or by birth in a brāhmaṇa family (janma). You cannot be realized because one can only infer about you by logic and words of scripture and not experience your name and form through these means. The reason is given. You are the direct witness (sakṣiṇaḥ) of the intelligence etc. Your sweet qualities cannot be realized by the material senses and intelligence. The cause and effect are as if moving in opposite directions. By being related to the witness your name and form have similar qualities. However you can be realized by the wise since they are also filled with the highest bliss. tad aśma-sāraṁ hṛdayaṁ batedaṁ yad gṛhyamāṇair hari-nāma-dheyaiḥ | na vikriyetātha yadā vikāro netre jalaṁ gātra-ruheṣu harṣaḥ || That heart which does not transform on hearing the names of the Lord, even though he shows tears in the eyes and hair standing on end, is made of iron. SB 2.3.24 rūpaṁ yad etad avabodha-rasodayena śaśvan-nivṛtta-tamasaḥ sad-anugrahāya ādau gṛhītam avatāra-śataika-bījaṁ yan-nābhi-padma-bhavanād aham āvirāsam The form which I see is eternally freed from material contamination and has appeared in this world to show mercy to the devotees as a manifestation of internal potency. This incarnation is the origin of many other incarnations, and I am born from the lotus flower grown from your navel home. SB 3.9.2 nātaḥ paraṁ parama yad bhavataḥ svarūpam ānanda-mātram avikalpam aviddha-varcaḥ paśyāmi viśva-sṛjam ekam aviśvam ātman bhūtendriyātmaka-madas ta upāśrito ’smi O Supreme Lord! I do not see that you are different from your form as the Brahman which is without qualities and only bliss. O form of unrestricted light! I, full of pride in thinking I can get pleasure by body, sense and mind, take shelter of your one form which is spiritual, but which creates this universe. SB 3.9.3 People can realize your name and form as they are in truth (pratīyanti) through actions (kriyāyām) like singing your name or meditating on your form. bhaktyāham ekayā grāhyaḥ śraddhayātmā priyaḥ satām bhaktiḥ punāti man-niṣṭhā śva-pākān api sambhavāt Only by bhakti with full faith can the devotees obtain me, Paramātmā, the object of love. Bhakti fixed in me purifies even a dog eater of his low birth. SB 11.14.21 Śrīdhara Svāmī interprets the verse as follows. Your spiritual forms worshipped by weak forms of remembrance cannot be realized since the forms are beyond words and mind. Form and name, aspects of your tattva, belong to the witness of everything, and are thus beyond words and mind. You can be directly seen by worship, using the mind and other methods of worship which employ the external senses.

Purport (Sanatana Goswami)

Your name and form along with your qualities, birth and activities, cannot be realized as they truly are. An example of a name expressing qualities is Bhakta-vatsala. A name expressing his form is Śyāmasundara. A name expressing his actions is Govardhanadhāri. A form expressing his actions is Venuvadana or Tribhaṅga-lalita. A name expressing his birth is Devakī-nandana and a form expressing his birth is Matsya (born in water). Or your name and form cannot be realized by studying of scriptures (guṇa), by following proper conduct or yamas and niyamas (karma), or by birth in a brāhmaṇa family (janma). They realize and develop faith in (pratiyanti) the greatness of your name and form by worship. Or they realize your or the name and form by worship. You can be inferred by words and mind, but not attained since you are the witness of words and mind (tasya). You are the witness of names and forms also. But those who perform worship (kriyāyām) realize you, since the name and named, and form and possessor of the form are non-different. Or not being defined by name and form, by mercy you have appear as an avatāra (tava). Or having glorified the Lord’s form, the name is glorified. The two are glorified together, referring to the nature of the form previously described. Let name and form not be defined since they are beyond the guṇas and yet have qualities. “One object having qualities and not having qualities is impossible.” True, but those who perform worship can understand this, and not others.