Bg. 2.12

BG 2.12
Srila Prabhupada

Devanagari

न त्वेवाहं जातु नासं न त्वं नेमे जनाधिपाः । न चैव नभविष्यामः सर्वे वयमतः परम् ॥ १२ ॥

Verse text

na tv evāhaṁ jātu nāsaṁ na tvaṁ neme janādhipāḥ na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ sarve vayam ataḥ param

Synonyms

na never ; tu but ; eva certainly ; aham I ; jātu at any time ; na did not ; āsam exist ; na not ; tvam you ; na not ; ime all these ; jana-adhipāḥ kings ; na never ; ca also ; eva certainly ; na not ; bhaviṣyāmaḥ shall exist ; sarve vayam all of us ; ataḥ param hereafter.

Translation

Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.

Translation (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

12. It is not that I, you and these kings did not exist, and nor in the future will we not exist.

Translation (Baladeva Vidyabhusana)

12. Never have I not existed nor, you nor these kings. Nor in the future will we ever not exist.

Purport

In the Vedas – in the Kaṭha Upaniṣad as well as in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad – it is said that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the maintainer of innumerable living entities, in terms of their different situations according to individual work and reaction of work. That Supreme Personality of Godhead is also, by His plenary portions, alive in the heart of every living entity. Only saintly persons who can see, within and without, the same Supreme Lord can actually attain to perfect and eternal peace. nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān tam ātma-sthaṁ ye ’nupaśyanti dhīrās teṣāṁ śāntiḥ śāśvatī netareṣām ( Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13) The same Vedic truth given to Arjuna is given to all persons in the world who pose themselves as very learned but factually have but a poor fund of knowledge. The Lord says clearly that He Himself, Arjuna and all the kings who are assembled on the battlefield are eternally individual beings and that the Lord is eternally the maintainer of the individual living entities both in their conditioned and in their liberated situations. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme individual person, and Arjuna, the Lord’s eternal associate, and all the kings assembled there are individual eternal persons. It is not that they did not exist as individuals in the past, and it is not that they will not remain eternal persons. Their individuality existed in the past, and their individuality will continue in the future without interruption. Therefore, there is no cause for lamentation for anyone. The Māyāvādī theory that after liberation the individual soul, separated by the covering of māyā, or illusion, will merge into the impersonal Brahman and lose its individual existence is not supported herein by Lord Kṛṣṇa, the supreme authority. Nor is the theory that we only think of individuality in the conditioned state supported herein. Kṛṣṇa clearly says herein that in the future also the individuality of the Lord and others, as it is confirmed in the Upaniṣads, will continue eternally. This statement of Kṛṣṇa’s is authoritative because Kṛṣṇa cannot be subject to illusion. If individuality were not a fact, then Kṛṣṇa would not have stressed it so much – even for the future. The Māyāvādī may argue that the individuality spoken of by Kṛṣṇa is not spiritual, but material. Even accepting the argument that the individuality is material, then how can one distinguish Kṛṣṇa’s individuality? Kṛṣṇa affirms His individuality in the past and confirms His individuality in the future also. He has confirmed His individuality in many ways, and impersonal Brahman has been declared to be subordinate to Him. Kṛṣṇa has maintained spiritual individuality all along; if He is accepted as an ordinary conditioned soul in individual consciousness, then His Bhagavad-gītā has no value as authoritative scripture. A common man with all the four defects of human frailty is unable to teach that which is worth hearing. The Gītā is above such literature. No mundane book compares with the Bhagavad-gītā. When one accepts Kṛṣṇa as an ordinary man, the Gītā loses all importance. The Māyāvādī argues that the plurality mentioned in this verse is conventional and that it refers to the body. But previous to this verse such a bodily conception is already condemned. After condemning the bodily conception of the living entities, how was it possible for Kṛṣṇa to place a conventional proposition on the body again? Therefore, individuality is maintained on spiritual grounds and is thus confirmed by great ācāryas like Śrī Rāmānuja and others. It is clearly mentioned in many places in the Gītā that this spiritual individuality is understood by those who are devotees of the Lord. Those who are envious of Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead have no bona fide access to the great literature. The nondevotee’s approach to the teachings of the Gītā is something like that of a bee licking on a bottle of honey. One cannot have a taste of honey unless one opens the bottle. Similarly, the mysticism of the Bhagavad-gītā can be understood only by devotees, and no one else can taste it, as it is stated in the Fourth Chapter of the book. Nor can the Gītā be touched by persons who envy the very existence of the Lord. Therefore, the Māyāvādī explanation of the Gītā is a most misleading presentation of the whole truth. Lord Caitanya has forbidden us to read commentations made by the Māyāvādīs and warns that one who takes to such an understanding of the Māyāvādī philosophy loses all power to understand the real mystery of the Gītā. If individuality refers to the empirical universe, then there is no need of teaching by the Lord. The plurality of the individual soul and the Lord is an eternal fact, and it is confirmed by the Vedas as above mentioned.

Purport (Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura)

“Now, O friend, I will ask you a question. When you see the death of a person you love, you lament. But is the object of affection while the person is in this world the soul or the body? Śukadeva says that the soul is most dear in all living beings: sarveṣām eva bhūtānāṁ nṛpa svātmaiva vallabhaḥ. (SB 10.14.50) If the soul is the object of affection, the soul should not be the object of lamentation, because it cannot suffer death, since both types of ātmā, the jīva and īśvara are eternal.” With this intention, He speaks this verse. It is not that I, the Paramātmā, have ever not been in existence, but rather I have always existed. You also, a jīvātmā, have also always existed. These kings also, jīvātmās, have always existed. Here the Lord shows that previous non-existence (prāg-abhāva) is absent for all souls. And it is not that I, you, and all these kings (sarve vayam) will not exist in the future. Rather we will certainly exist. Here he shows that the soul is devoid of destruction (dhvaṁsa abhāva). By this he concludes that since the Paramātmā and the jīva are both eternal, there is no cause for lamentation. The śruti says: nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān He is the chief eternal among all eternals. He is the chief conscious entity among all conscious entities, the one fulfills the needs of all others. Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.13

Purport (Baladeva Vidyabhusana)

Thus, having establishing Arjuna’s lack of wisdom through his unsuitable lamentation, the Lord of all beings, Bhagavān, next speaks about the fundamental difference between the jīvas and Himself to Arjuna, who was desirous of knowing the truth, and was thus standing with folded hands. That difference is established in the śruti: nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān He is the eternal among all eternal entities, and the chief conscious being among all conscious beings. Among the many living entities, He is the chief, who fulfills their desires. Śvetāsvatara Upaniṣad 6.13 O Arjuna, it is not that I, the Lord of all, Bhagavān, have not existed at some time (jātu) previously, at some beginning point. I have certainly existed. It is not that you also have not existed. You existed for certain. It is not that these kings did not exist. They existed for certain. And it is not that in the future, at some end point in time, all of us—I, you and all these kings—will not exist. For certain we will exist. Because the jīva, like the Lord of all, exists in all three phases of time, it is not proper to lament concerning the jīva. This is not just a conventional, illusory difference (vyavahārka bheda) between the jīva and the Lord, caused by ignorance (but which will disappear with the dawn of knowledge), because bhagavān, being omniscient, has no connection with ignorance. As well, even in the liberated state, the jīva’s separate designation is acknowledged in the scriptures. This is illustrated by such statements as: idaṁ jṣānam upāśritya mama sādharmyam āgatāḥ sarge’pi nopajāyante pralaye na vyathanti ca By becoming fixed in this knowledge, one can attain a transcendental nature like My own. Thus established, one is not born at the time of creation or disturbed at the time of dissolution. BG 14.2 One should also not say that the Lord, though actually fixed in non-duality, sees difference between Arjuna and Himself by invoking the theory of bādhita anuvṛtti, by which the liberated soul continues to have an appearance of dualistic vision after the illusion has been destroyed, but which does not create bondage. Even if such a theory were true, teachings could still not take place. Though one may think that a mirage in the desert is water, when that misconception is corrected, one continues with the conviction that the water is false. Though one continues to see the illusion of water in the desert after one has annulled the misconception, because one has the conviction that what he perceives false water, he does not try to take up that water for drinking or other uses. The Lord, continuing a sense of duality which has actually annulled by His realization of non-duality, and thus seeing difference between Arjuna and Himself (according to the theory of bādhita anuvṛtti), the Lord would not engage in teaching Arjuna whatsoever, because he actually would discern the truth of the matter— that duality of Himself and Arjuna was an illusion. [Note: The impersonalists advocate the theory of bādhita anuvrtti to explain the existence of the jīvana mukta, who is beyond duality, but can teach others, when teaching implies duality. According to this theory the liberated soul somehow maintains a type of conditional vision even after realizing non-duality as long as he maintains his body. This conditional vision caused by residual avidya does not interfere with his realization. However, even if he does have that temporary dualistic vision after non-dualistic realization, he would not act as if situated in dualism by teaching, since he would know that the dualism is false. This argument is given by Rāmanuja in his commentary on this verse.] “Through the teachings of scripture, we find that the intended subject must be non-difference of soul and the Lord since the object of scripture is to speak of something unknown (non-duality) and of beneficial result, and not to speak of what is already known (conventional duality) and useless. This is to be explained as the import of śrutis statements such as adbhyo vā eṣa prātar udety apaḥ sāyaṁ praviśati:: in the morning the sun rises from the water and in the evening merges in the water. (Aitreya Brāhmaṇa 4.20.13)” [Note: The statement is common knowledge and thus useless. It is approximate knowledge at best. However we have to search for deeper significance concerning something unknown to us, the merging of self into God, in the scriptures. This verse is also quoted in Vedānta Syamantaka 3.24.] This is foolish, for śruti declares difference alone: pṛthag ātmānaṁ preritāraṁ ca matvā juṣṭas tatas tenāmṛtatvam eti Having understood that the soul and the inciter of action (the Lord) are different, thus gaining the love of the Lord, one attains freedom from death. Śvetāsvatara Upaniṣad 1.6 This statement shows the value of knowledge of difference between the soul and the Lord, because of the mention of attaining a beneficial result for the individual ātmā—his attainment of freedom from death (amṛtatvam eti). The descriptions of God and jīva are also something unknown to common men, because they correlate distinctive, contrary qualities to God and jīva. The mutually contrary qualities of the Lord and the jīva—greatness and smallness, lordship and servitude— can be understood only through scripture. Also, the result of knowledge of non-difference is no result at all, because of non-acceptance of results. [Note: The opponent raised the argument that scriptures should speak of something unknown, which gives beneficial results. But since non-duality means not being conscious of anything, there can be no result at all.] Absolute non-duality, which the monists say is unknown, is actually unknowable, because it does not actually exist, like horns on a rabbit, and therefore is useless. [Note: The one unchanging Brahman without form or qualities is pure consciousness, but that consciousness cannot know itself or anything, since there is nothing to know or do, and any knowledge will create change. Therefore it is consciousness in name only, but is no better than dull matter.] In this way real difference between the soul and the Lord has been established.

Surrender Unto Me

Here in the beginning of Krsna's instructions that we are not our body but spiritual souls, Krsna is also defeating Mayavada philosophy. Because He is identifying right from the very beginning that He is an individual, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and Arjuna and each one of the Kings are also individuals. Krsna is very clearly stressing His individuality and the living entities' individuality in the past, present, and future. And He is not stressing His individuality based on the body because after all He is His body, He doesn't have a material body. And if the impersonalists say that Krsna has a material body so why they read and discuss Bhagavad‑gita?